WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.630 --> 00:00:01.630 Stefania Juks: Items. 2 00:00:02.920 --> 00:00:05.310 Thomas Kuhr: Yes. Oh, okay. 3 00:00:06.130 --> 00:00:11.749 Thomas Kuhr: So it seems I cannot share my slides. For some reason I don't know. 4 00:00:15.570 --> 00:00:17.603 Thomas Kuhr: Oh, no, let me see. 5 00:00:22.790 --> 00:00:23.830 Thomas Kuhr: Okay. 6 00:00:24.780 --> 00:00:28.229 Thomas Kuhr: So okay, so I hope you can see my slides. 7 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:46.089 Thomas Kuhr: Okay, so yeah, so I would like to talk about yeah, some activities regarding sustainability in in Germany. And yeah, the context of of a ROM data. So yeah, what what is arom data? 8 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:58.019 Thomas Kuhr: So in Germany, the the research at large facilities, which means accelerators and and telescopes is funded by the Federal Ministry. 9 00:00:58.450 --> 00:01:05.430 Thomas Kuhr: And it's it's going under the the label of research on Universe and and Meta. 10 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:12.630 Thomas Kuhr: or in German. And that that's where the abbreviation arum comes from. 11 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:22.470 Thomas Kuhr: And here you also see some some framework program document which describes this, this funding for this, this type of research. 12 00:01:22.670 --> 00:01:30.709 Thomas Kuhr: And within this framework there's now a funding line also for digitization, which is called Aaron data. 13 00:01:31.510 --> 00:01:39.099 Thomas Kuhr: And so here projects working on overarching solutions in digitization are founded. 14 00:01:39.310 --> 00:01:49.640 Thomas Kuhr: And in addition, there's also an arom data hub funded which is doing networking and then transfer 15 00:01:50.680 --> 00:02:16.129 Thomas Kuhr: so. And now these Aeron communities are quite broad. So basically, it ranges from from the smallest scale to the largest scales. We have particle physics, hadron and nuclear physics, accelerator physics, features with synchron, radiation neutrons, nuclear probes, astroparticle physics and astronomy. So of course, also there, the the 16 00:02:16.290 --> 00:02:29.839 Thomas Kuhr: requirements regarding data in in computing are are different. I mean, we have huge amounts of data, but in detail. There, there's some diversity. 17 00:02:30.100 --> 00:02:50.499 Thomas Kuhr: But still, I mean, we. We are in this this community together. And we also thought about sustainability. There was a 1st workshop about 2 years ago, where we had several keynote talks to get some, some inspiration, some ideas. 18 00:02:51.157 --> 00:03:07.192 Thomas Kuhr: Then we had, in small groups, some parallel discussion topics where we we worked on several topics, and then came up with, Yeah, ideas. And and yeah, some some 19 00:03:07.860 --> 00:03:23.664 Thomas Kuhr: recommendations. How we want to address this this climate challenge. And so we produced the strategy paper. This. This paper was, yeah already at the last sustainable hep 20 00:03:24.530 --> 00:03:42.649 Thomas Kuhr: meeting. There was a presentation on this by Ben Pews. So so here, you see, and it's now finally also published, which also took a bit of time. So here, just I want to briefly mention what the context of this paper is without going into too much detail. 21 00:03:42.880 --> 00:04:02.850 Thomas Kuhr: So we describe 1st the challenge that we are facing. And then we have chapters on several aspects, smart data transformation. So there are, for example, you can reduce the format of of the data, make sure it can be reused. Make it fair. 22 00:04:03.460 --> 00:04:14.419 Thomas Kuhr: then, software, engineering and data analysis, how we how we write our software, how we do analysis, for example, with workflows. 23 00:04:14.600 --> 00:04:20.699 Thomas Kuhr: And also here, of course, one can try to make it fair and and reusable. 24 00:04:21.170 --> 00:04:42.680 Thomas Kuhr: Then algorithms and artificial intelligence. Of course, AI is a technology with high potential, maybe in both directions, so it can be used to increase efficiency to use less resources. But of course, also, the training of models requires some energy. So one has to find a good balance there. 25 00:04:43.715 --> 00:04:58.770 Thomas Kuhr: Then, of course, we do our computing on computing centers, on some infrastructures, and they have an impact on on our footprint. So we discuss some ideas what to do there. 26 00:04:58.970 --> 00:05:17.960 Thomas Kuhr: And yeah, maybe the most difficult part is to develop a culture for sustainable science. So some ideas are also discussed there. And yeah, finally, also, we have a section on funding and institutional support which is also needed, of course, to realize 27 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:19.810 Thomas Kuhr: the ideas. 28 00:05:20.950 --> 00:05:37.399 Thomas Kuhr: Okay, then, in this document we also compile a list of measures ordered by by the time scale on which they can be implemented. Also here. I won't go into detail 29 00:05:38.130 --> 00:05:49.299 Thomas Kuhr: on short timescale. It's it's mainly raising awareness, communicating, sharing knowledge about yeah measures. 1 1 can take 30 00:05:50.182 --> 00:06:01.439 Thomas Kuhr: on medium scale time scale. It's it's mainly optimizing our software or data management or or workflows, and so on. 31 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:19.660 Thomas Kuhr: and then on longer time scale. This is mainly addressing, then the infrastructure, of course, to to build a new computing center. It's it's a long term thing. So that's that's what's mainly in this 3rd part of this portfolio of measures. 32 00:06:21.263 --> 00:06:33.400 Thomas Kuhr: So and then, yeah, following up on this, 1st in person workshop. We also had 2 follow up workshops 1st one about a year ago from now. 33 00:06:33.500 --> 00:06:35.780 Thomas Kuhr: and I think also 34 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:54.829 Thomas Kuhr: Our 1st workshop also triggered some ideas, and we heard some of these ideas. Then at this follow-up workshop. There are, of course, also activities which which nevertheless would happen, but I think it helped to increase the activity within the community. 35 00:06:55.460 --> 00:07:16.309 Thomas Kuhr: So here, just as as some few examples, what was presented. There are workshops on sustainable computing held at easy, so people learn how to use their computing system in an efficient way we had to talk about. Know your footprint. 36 00:07:16.530 --> 00:07:41.309 Thomas Kuhr: Talk about estimation of of the footprint of flights for Bell to collaboration meeting. Then also, people start to to look into a system which informs users about what are good times to submit jobs. So when is the footprint of the the power low, and does it make sense in that respect to submit jobs? 37 00:07:42.406 --> 00:07:48.510 Thomas Kuhr: Yeah. Then, also, an idea of scaling the the 38 00:07:48.700 --> 00:08:10.310 Thomas Kuhr: available resources at the site depending on availability of green energy. And yeah, so in addition to this variation or adjustment in time, also, there was a discussion about optimizing this in in space or having data centers at location where there's lots of green energy. 39 00:08:11.060 --> 00:08:24.819 Thomas Kuhr: And yeah, then also in in November last year there was a second online follow up meeting again with several interesting ideas. For example, building some telescopes with low resources. 40 00:08:24.940 --> 00:08:27.579 Thomas Kuhr: a discussion of yeah. 41 00:08:27.710 --> 00:08:49.549 Thomas Kuhr: of sustainability efforts, energy use at at DC, also picking up the idea of carbon aware scaling at a at a site level, but also then at at, let's say, grid level to schedule or exclude sites. If if it's unfavorable. 42 00:08:49.850 --> 00:08:59.179 Thomas Kuhr: And also, for example, a talk about building a computing center for the Einstein telescope in a sustainable way. 43 00:09:00.250 --> 00:09:10.260 Thomas Kuhr: So then, also in yeah, in parallel to this. There was a discussion with the funding agency, with with the Bmbf. So it was a so-called trial. 44 00:09:10.380 --> 00:09:17.859 Thomas Kuhr: where scientists from universities and researchers were discussing with with the funding agency. 45 00:09:18.070 --> 00:09:28.209 Thomas Kuhr: And this resulted in a document with recommendations for consideration of sustainability in basic research at large facilities. 46 00:09:28.760 --> 00:09:32.560 Thomas Kuhr: And yeah, so here I just picked 2 2 items. So 47 00:09:32.770 --> 00:09:37.030 Thomas Kuhr: they acknowledge that it requires resources 48 00:09:37.280 --> 00:09:44.249 Thomas Kuhr: and an active and structured dialogue between science, politics, society, and industry. That's certainly good. 49 00:09:44.986 --> 00:09:56.170 Thomas Kuhr: And then, yeah, the the content is structured in in a few sections about research, planning and organization boundary conditions. What are the 50 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:59.959 Thomas Kuhr: funding political boundary conditions, education. 51 00:10:00.090 --> 00:10:09.160 Thomas Kuhr: development of technologies, cultural change, and finally, also research for sustainability. This is also in this arum field. 52 00:10:09.510 --> 00:10:15.990 Thomas Kuhr: Of course, you might have research also on batteries or things like this. 53 00:10:16.940 --> 00:10:36.069 Thomas Kuhr: And then, yeah, finally, here, regarding this political aspects, maybe you know, we have a new government in Germany and the parties that are in this government. In their coalition agreement they also have a statement. So they want to strengthen research, infrastructure, strengthen the research. 54 00:10:36.190 --> 00:10:38.589 Thomas Kuhr: infrastructure construction program 55 00:10:38.810 --> 00:10:50.529 Thomas Kuhr: and include requirements on climate, protection and sustainability. So I would say, here it's on, on the radar of funding agencies, on, on the, on politics. 56 00:10:51.460 --> 00:11:01.369 Thomas Kuhr: So then, yeah, we have to follow up one workshop coming up again in person in often in yeah. End of July, beginning of August. 57 00:11:01.580 --> 00:11:05.300 Thomas Kuhr: where we, in addition to sustainability. Also. 58 00:11:05.430 --> 00:11:22.499 Thomas Kuhr: we'll discuss about ethics which, of course, closely related. So here you can find the indigo link, and if you're interested you can also still submit an abstract. I mean. The focus is, of course, more on Germany. But we are. We are always happy to 59 00:11:22.630 --> 00:11:26.909 Thomas Kuhr: have new new ideas and and input. To this. 60 00:11:27.910 --> 00:11:44.700 Thomas Kuhr: So yeah, to summarize these awareness of the need to address the climate crisis. And I think also it's rising. Several deals exist. There are many activities, some on small scale, which is also good. I think it's not just 61 00:11:44.880 --> 00:11:50.160 Thomas Kuhr: one silver bullet which will solve everything. We need many activities. 62 00:11:50.310 --> 00:11:57.469 Thomas Kuhr: But I think there's also potential, maybe of a bit larger impact if we further network and coordinate or 63 00:11:57.650 --> 00:12:02.849 Thomas Kuhr: or efforts. And I think, therefore, it's also very good to have a workshop like this. Now 64 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:08.019 Thomas Kuhr: to the second in person. Aeron data workshop this summer. 65 00:12:08.340 --> 00:12:09.280 Thomas Kuhr: Thanks. 66 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:16.560 Stefania Juks: Thank you so much, Thomas, and we are welcome to have any questions. 67 00:12:27.210 --> 00:12:32.269 Stefania Juks: I'm seeing some cameras, but no, no hands. Ian, please go ahead. 68 00:12:33.680 --> 00:12:37.989 Yann Coadou: Yes, as you summarize it here. Yeah. 69 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:47.349 Yann Coadou: you seem to be targeting mostly climate slash, carbon emissions. Are you considering sustainability in a more 70 00:12:48.060 --> 00:12:52.060 Yann Coadou: in a wider sense also within this framework. 71 00:12:52.660 --> 00:13:11.590 Thomas Kuhr: Yes, yes, I mean, yes, I focused here on on the climate change. I think that's also what what I would say. The primary target is. But I would say it's not limited to this, maybe. Let me see here also, on the recommendations. 72 00:13:12.353 --> 00:13:18.850 Thomas Kuhr: Yeah. For example, extend monitoring of resources beyond Co. 2 water material. So it is 73 00:13:19.420 --> 00:13:27.109 Thomas Kuhr: there. But I would agree that the the main target, I think, is is climate. 74 00:13:30.180 --> 00:13:30.790 Yann Coadou: Thanks. 75 00:13:38.900 --> 00:13:43.400 Stefania Juks: Thank you so much. I'm not seeing any more hands, so I think we could also 76 00:13:44.050 --> 00:13:46.840 Stefania Juks: keep it going with our next talk. 77 00:13:47.470 --> 00:13:48.960 Stefania Juks: That should be.