WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.330 --> 00:00:04.920 Thiago Rangel: Okay. 2 00:00:04.920 --> 00:00:05.250 Gilvan Alves: Right. 3 00:00:05.250 --> 00:00:08.049 Thiago Rangel: So I think I think it's not so good. 4 00:00:08.990 --> 00:00:11.000 Thiago Rangel: Okay, let me just make sure… 5 00:00:15.600 --> 00:00:16.280 Thiago Rangel: Bye. 6 00:00:23.450 --> 00:00:29.909 Thiago Rangel: So this is going to be a really quickly update of the start of the analysis. 7 00:00:31.510 --> 00:00:40.909 Thiago Rangel: So, the first thing I did was try to do the Finance Acceleration Analysis, and now optimize them as you guys did in the… 8 00:00:42.060 --> 00:00:49.149 Thiago Rangel: in the branch 2 analysis. So here are the scatter plots of the simulation and for the data. 9 00:00:49.740 --> 00:00:57.090 Thiago Rangel: So, here are the values of the optimal, mass, the… 10 00:00:57.740 --> 00:01:00.040 Thiago Rangel: Variant of the mass. So here. 11 00:01:00.420 --> 00:01:04.830 Thiago Rangel: Some of the values are quite, near as the… 12 00:01:04.940 --> 00:01:16.450 Thiago Rangel: run two ones, and here they are. So, 0.19 for the JPSI here, for the bin 3, and for the bin 5 and 7. So… 13 00:01:18.010 --> 00:01:27.490 Thiago Rangel: And here are the plots that you asked at the last meeting, I'll assume. So here you can see the difference of the mass, the veto. 14 00:01:27.720 --> 00:01:32.340 Thiago Rangel: So they are quite compatible as well for with the retro data. 15 00:01:33.650 --> 00:01:36.180 Thiago Rangel: And… yeah, this is it. 16 00:01:37.110 --> 00:01:42.780 Thiago Rangel: And now the other thing that I was trying to see was the fit gen results. 17 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:49.120 Thiago Rangel: So now they're okay. So I'm really sorry about this one here because it was a lack of my attention. 18 00:01:49.290 --> 00:02:04.139 Thiago Rangel: when I try to to copy and paste the results. Maybe I was. I mistake some values there, and then I got the wrong results. So I'm spending a lot of time trying to see if I was missing something. The 19 00:02:04.310 --> 00:02:11.980 Thiago Rangel: the definition of the angles, or something like that, and it was something really stupid. It was my error. 20 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:17.769 Thiago Rangel: So here are the results. So here for about P1 and P2. 21 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:26.760 Thiago Rangel: as well, quite near as the one in Ranchu. And so I couldn't produce the… 22 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:41.719 Thiago Rangel: the ratio plots in the in my world with this, this one here that's yours, because I think we you don't have this in a public the points in a public sites that I think was happy. 23 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:43.830 Thiago Rangel: I'm sorry. 24 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:48.910 Thiago Rangel: I don't remember the… now the name of the site that we… that we have all the… 25 00:02:49.030 --> 00:02:51.819 Thiago Rangel: the points of the data from… from CMS. 26 00:02:52.370 --> 00:03:01.210 Thiago Rangel: So, sorry for that. And of course, and just to clarify, this one here, Parity P0 and P1, because of the way that you… 27 00:03:01.530 --> 00:03:09.270 Thiago Rangel: the Click the the data sets so we can have a better statistic and then analyze it better. So 28 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:11.889 Thiago Rangel: It's changing the parity of the event. 29 00:03:12.510 --> 00:03:18.509 Alessio Boletti: Sorry, question. Moving on. I didn't understand which ratio plot. 30 00:03:18.610 --> 00:03:22.460 Alessio Boletti: You want to produce… because, the bottom floor? 31 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:24.500 Alessio Boletti: I have no. 32 00:03:24.500 --> 00:03:25.380 Thiago Rangel: Beautiful. 33 00:03:26.270 --> 00:03:34.320 Thiago Rangel: the… the… the… yeah, I don't… I know, this is one here for the Ricoh and the Gem. So I… what I wanted to do is, 34 00:03:34.490 --> 00:03:43.230 Thiago Rangel: a ratio plot to… a plot between the Run 3 data of the gem and the Run 2, but they are not available, at least I didn't find them. 35 00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:47.940 Thiago Rangel: That was just to compare, to see if they were quite… and. 36 00:03:48.860 --> 00:03:53.570 Alessio Boletti: But here, you're not… you would be comparing… 37 00:03:54.330 --> 00:04:00.849 Alessio Boletti: They did run two with the Monte Carlo GenLevel run three, right? 38 00:04:01.510 --> 00:04:02.080 Thiago Rangel: Mmh. 39 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:03.560 Alessio Boletti: data entry. 40 00:04:04.190 --> 00:04:12.510 Alessio Boletti: Because we don't, of course, we don't have the data yet And… So, for the return 2, 41 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:15.900 Alessio Boletti: Well, either you copy manually from, 42 00:04:16.500 --> 00:04:21.409 Alessio Boletti: from the results from the paper. 43 00:04:21.750 --> 00:04:28.600 Alessio Boletti: Indeed, before going public, we didn't have the result code. 44 00:04:28.790 --> 00:04:31.550 Alessio Boletti: With the values in a public repository. 45 00:04:32.220 --> 00:04:41.000 Alessio Boletti: I don't know if we can share a file, Paolo. Do you remember if there is a file with all the the table of the. 46 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:43.580 Alessio Boletti: Results that is maybe easier to find. 47 00:04:44.220 --> 00:04:45.409 Alessio Boletti: Probably there is. 48 00:04:45.410 --> 00:04:54.499 Paolo Dini: My, are they in the, in some version of the analysis note, in appendix in some app? 49 00:04:54.500 --> 00:04:59.100 Alessio Boletti: No, no, no, but in a table, I think they can be found, right? But, 50 00:04:59.100 --> 00:04:59.460 Paolo Dini: But. 51 00:04:59.460 --> 00:05:00.000 Alessio Boletti: But I. 52 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:01.680 Paolo Dini: Not in the plot. 53 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.030 Alessio Boletti: But also, also… 54 00:05:03.200 --> 00:05:09.180 Alessio Boletti: Also in the, here we're talking about data, right, and not, Monte Carlo, so they're also in the paper. 55 00:05:09.970 --> 00:05:11.059 Alessio Boletti: It's a, they just. 56 00:05:11.060 --> 00:05:16.469 Paolo Dini: This is data, okay. We can check. 57 00:05:16.470 --> 00:05:20.030 Alessio Boletti: This is what I understood, Thiago, right? You want to compare data… 58 00:05:21.470 --> 00:05:28.610 Thiago Rangel: No, for this moment, what I wanted to do is to compare the both Monte Carlos to see if the gems, the fitting gems… 59 00:05:29.470 --> 00:05:33.450 Alessio Boletti: You want to compare the Gen Run 2 with the Gen Run 3? 60 00:05:33.450 --> 00:05:34.370 Thiago Rangel: Exactly. 61 00:05:34.490 --> 00:05:38.499 Thiago Rangel: To see if they are matching quite well, as I think they are. 62 00:05:39.900 --> 00:05:40.430 Thiago Rangel: -H. 63 00:05:40.430 --> 00:05:41.350 Alessio Boletti: The other side. 64 00:05:41.350 --> 00:05:43.779 Thiago Rangel: This should not be here, the aluminum. 65 00:05:43.780 --> 00:05:45.879 Paolo Dini: Of course, yes. 66 00:05:45.880 --> 00:05:49.240 Thiago Rangel: Okay, now I see the mistake. Sorry, guys. 67 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:49.570 Alessio Boletti: Now. 68 00:05:49.570 --> 00:06:07.470 Paolo Dini: No, no, no, we understand that this is a simulation. Otherwise, I was worried about the underlying procedure. I think that the simulation results… 69 00:06:08.770 --> 00:06:15.870 Paolo Dini: Forum 2 should be… In the… in our analysis note. 70 00:06:17.380 --> 00:06:30.560 Paolo Dini: The simulation… I remember very well the presentation that you made about the bias Alessio. 71 00:06:31.020 --> 00:06:42.209 Paolo Dini: This stuff was, was, studied by you and, and also maybe, it may be, Sarah. 72 00:06:42.900 --> 00:06:48.330 Paolo Dini: And I remember, similar plots, so we… anyway, we can find them. 73 00:06:48.330 --> 00:06:54.199 Alessio Boletti: No, but yeah, like for sure these plots are based on some data saved in… 74 00:06:54.330 --> 00:06:58.810 Alessio Boletti: Either root files or some tables in the text files. 75 00:06:59.180 --> 00:07:04.850 Alessio Boletti: And we have to see if we are able to find them. 76 00:07:05.530 --> 00:07:07.390 Alessio Boletti: And… 77 00:07:08.660 --> 00:07:16.200 Alessio Boletti: I don't know if we had tables with all the results for all the parameters and all the beans for the chain values in the analysis note. 78 00:07:16.850 --> 00:07:17.760 Alessio Boletti: And. 79 00:07:18.890 --> 00:07:26.019 Thiago Rangel: Yeah. Well, from the notes, at least I don't. I didn't find any any table with this with these results here. So. 80 00:07:27.090 --> 00:07:27.740 Alessio Boletti: Mmhm. 81 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:35.070 Thiago Rangel: So yeah, that's that's something just to be little bit more comparison. 82 00:07:35.590 --> 00:07:38.260 Thiago Rangel: And it's… Finally. 83 00:07:39.760 --> 00:07:50.119 Thiago Rangel: And finally, the P4 that's now in the right shape that should be. So this one here was a clear mistake of mine. So sorry for that. 84 00:07:50.320 --> 00:07:53.050 Thiago Rangel: when I copied the results from the PDF. 85 00:07:53.690 --> 00:08:00.450 Thiago Rangel: So now we are… Okay, and then now I can proceed with the… the recall step. 86 00:08:00.630 --> 00:08:01.709 Alessio Boletti: Okay, good. 87 00:08:01.860 --> 00:08:13.510 Alessio Boletti: No problem. In general, no problem. In general, it's a good practice. Try when you have a lot of parameters. It's not to copy them over, but try to save them in a… 88 00:08:13.980 --> 00:08:16.349 Alessio Boletti: In some file and then load them. 89 00:08:16.350 --> 00:08:16.780 Thiago Rangel: Yep. 90 00:08:16.780 --> 00:08:17.799 Alessio Boletti: Augusta Plata. 91 00:08:18.280 --> 00:08:20.919 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, this time I did this. 92 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:22.060 Alessio Boletti: Good. 93 00:08:22.060 --> 00:08:32.080 Thiago Rangel: So this is it for the fitting and for the other parameters as well. So all of them quite in agreement with the… 94 00:08:32.700 --> 00:08:40.490 Thiago Rangel: at least in visual way, with the results from the run through. So that was the the things that I have been doing this this week. 95 00:08:40.760 --> 00:08:47.140 Thiago Rangel: And then I had some other question, because I tried to do the… the fitting. 96 00:08:47.290 --> 00:08:48.929 Thiago Rangel: Using Zfit. 97 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:56.600 Thiago Rangel: the… to try to use your code and expiration, and then try to do, my code and defeat. That's it. 98 00:08:56.980 --> 00:09:01.949 Thiago Rangel: So I had a problem that I was trying to when I fit the parameters. 99 00:09:02.050 --> 00:09:19.539 Thiago Rangel: is that the P2 value, I think it was going out of the boundaries. So I think the P2 you are settled between between min 0.5 to 0.5, and it always converged to 0.7. But I think that's not the fiscal region, right? 100 00:09:22.220 --> 00:09:26.789 Alessio Boletti: And you should, but in your, sorry, in your RICO or the genre? 101 00:09:27.300 --> 00:09:28.490 Thiago Rangel: The jam, the jam. 102 00:09:28.490 --> 00:09:29.980 Alessio Boletti: Can you show the results? 103 00:09:31.450 --> 00:09:32.609 Alessio Boletti: You have them here? 104 00:09:32.610 --> 00:09:33.300 Thiago Rangel: Moment. 105 00:09:33.630 --> 00:09:34.580 Alessio Boletti: But we… 106 00:09:34.580 --> 00:09:35.120 Thiago Rangel: I. 107 00:09:35.550 --> 00:09:36.370 Thiago Rangel: Awk. 108 00:09:36.370 --> 00:09:39.880 Alessio Boletti: I'm not understanding your results in the… 109 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:42.630 Alessio Boletti: The, the, the general results that the one you. 110 00:09:42.630 --> 00:09:43.780 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, using… 111 00:09:44.690 --> 00:09:45.240 Alessio Boletti: You too. 112 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:52.750 Thiago Rangel: Oh yeah, using the code you guys passed me from Run 2, it's okay, it's completely fine. 113 00:09:52.750 --> 00:09:53.500 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 114 00:09:53.500 --> 00:09:59.250 Thiago Rangel: But when I try to do a little version of this code in Python using zfit. 115 00:09:59.400 --> 00:10:13.250 Thiago Rangel: Then I had the problem with the parameters that was not converging the right specified region. So I do have them. Just a moment. I should have put in this. 116 00:10:14.060 --> 00:10:14.870 Thiago Rangel: Indeed. 117 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:21.350 Thiago Rangel: I'm trying to connect to… to Swan. 118 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.189 Thiago Rangel: But I don't know if you guys, 119 00:10:24.370 --> 00:10:30.889 Thiago Rangel: saw something like that, and that's why you… because I didn't use the penalty terms that you guys use. 120 00:10:32.010 --> 00:10:34.800 Thiago Rangel: And maybe that's it. I don't know. 121 00:10:36.630 --> 00:10:45.660 Alessio Boletti: I don't believe so… well, but P2 in principle should be already defined between 0.5 and… Minus 2.5, 0.5. 122 00:10:46.380 --> 00:10:58.019 Alessio Boletti: It should be in the definition of the parameter, because that's not the complicated part of the boundary, it's just the range of the parameter itself. 123 00:10:58.590 --> 00:11:03.389 Alessio Boletti: Could be that there is a problem in the decay rate expression. 124 00:11:05.520 --> 00:11:12.730 Thiago Rangel: Hmm, I don't think so. Because I, I, this one I really tried to copy exactly was, it was. 125 00:11:13.150 --> 00:11:14.590 Thiago Rangel: So, just… 126 00:11:14.590 --> 00:11:15.170 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 127 00:11:16.420 --> 00:11:18.640 Thiago Rangel: Sorry for that, because I'm trying to log in. 128 00:11:18.920 --> 00:11:19.750 Thiago Rangel: This one. 129 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:32.300 Thiago Rangel: But of course, that's something that's just, for my curiosity, try to do equals in Python. 130 00:11:34.490 --> 00:11:35.450 Alessio Boletti: Yeah, I don't. 131 00:11:36.550 --> 00:11:37.470 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, and the… 132 00:11:37.470 --> 00:11:40.390 Alessio Boletti: Okay, we can follow up, maybe offline, or, 133 00:11:40.390 --> 00:11:41.400 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 134 00:11:41.400 --> 00:11:43.110 Alessio Boletti: Mmhm We want to… 135 00:11:43.110 --> 00:11:43.880 Thiago Rangel: Then the. 136 00:11:44.330 --> 00:11:57.649 Paolo Dini: So because you, Thiago, you are using your code version, a Python code that perform the feed. 137 00:11:57.950 --> 00:11:58.570 Thiago Rangel: Yep. 138 00:11:58.890 --> 00:12:09.800 Paolo Dini: And this is the problem is in your Python code. It works with using Minuit. 139 00:12:12.070 --> 00:12:13.049 Thiago Rangel: Using the notes. 140 00:12:13.580 --> 00:12:14.570 Paolo Dini: Okay. 141 00:12:18.760 --> 00:12:19.790 Paolo Dini: Okay. 142 00:12:21.580 --> 00:12:23.949 Paolo Dini: No, I have no idea for the moment. 143 00:12:27.270 --> 00:12:35.520 Thiago Rangel: So and then the next step I'm going to try to do is try to get the efficiency. 144 00:12:35.700 --> 00:12:45.230 Thiago Rangel: So… of the… the distribution in function of the of the angle terms, as you guys did to 145 00:12:45.370 --> 00:12:51.479 Thiago Rangel: then create the fits of the Rico, and then continue with the analysis as well. 146 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:55.959 Thiago Rangel: So that's gonna be my next step for now. 147 00:12:56.740 --> 00:13:04.620 Thiago Rangel: And… Yeah. And another thing that I'm gonna… Putting on Metamorphose is the… 148 00:13:04.870 --> 00:13:09.860 Thiago Rangel: the poster for iChat, so to you guys to see if you guys like it. 149 00:13:10.060 --> 00:13:13.060 Thiago Rangel: And maybe some changes or anything like that. 150 00:13:13.370 --> 00:13:16.640 Thiago Rangel: So, yes, from my part, this is it, actually. 151 00:13:18.150 --> 00:13:24.619 Alessio Boletti: Okay, thank you. Can you show… Maybe again, the slides. 152 00:13:25.160 --> 00:13:26.380 Thiago Rangel: Sports, sorry. 153 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:27.750 Alessio Boletti: No worries, no. 154 00:13:41.640 --> 00:13:42.489 Thiago Rangel: What is the name? 155 00:14:09.890 --> 00:14:12.080 Thiago Rangel: Sorry, the computer's a little bit lazy. 156 00:14:18.860 --> 00:14:20.880 Thiago Rangel: So, do you guys can see my screen? 157 00:14:21.540 --> 00:14:22.250 Thiago Rangel: I think so. 158 00:14:22.250 --> 00:14:23.070 Alessio Boletti: Yes. 159 00:14:23.350 --> 00:14:26.419 Alessio Boletti: We see it's not full screen, but we can see them. 160 00:14:28.030 --> 00:14:29.290 Thiago Rangel: It's not full screen. 161 00:14:29.560 --> 00:14:30.799 Alessio Boletti: The browser page. 162 00:14:32.300 --> 00:14:34.890 Thiago Rangel: What the… Just a… just a moment. 163 00:14:36.590 --> 00:14:38.189 Thiago Rangel: It should be on the screen. 164 00:14:54.620 --> 00:14:56.439 Thiago Rangel: Now it should be on full screen. 165 00:14:57.070 --> 00:14:57.770 Thiago Rangel: Thank you. 166 00:15:02.100 --> 00:15:06.250 Alessio Boletti: I see a white screen at the moment. 167 00:15:06.660 --> 00:15:08.190 Alessio Boletti: I don't know about others. 168 00:15:08.590 --> 00:15:16.210 Alessio Boletti: I… Yeah, okay. If you could screen the last slide, the six. 169 00:15:16.210 --> 00:15:17.050 Thiago Rangel: Okay. 170 00:15:17.260 --> 00:15:18.459 Alessio Boletti: Okay, yeah, okay. 171 00:15:18.650 --> 00:15:25.320 Alessio Boletti: So… I don't know, okay, let, do any people, any other people as… comment. 172 00:15:29.620 --> 00:15:31.329 Diego Torres: No, no, Kim, go ahead. 173 00:15:32.340 --> 00:15:33.130 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 174 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:38.029 Alessio Boletti: Can you go to the slide, 175 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:44.370 Alessio Boletti: So, can you remind me in slide… for the diagonal cut, so slides 1… 2 and 3? 176 00:15:45.930 --> 00:15:50.940 Alessio Boletti: Which is the optimization criterion for the cut? 177 00:15:52.020 --> 00:15:59.779 Thiago Rangel: The same one that you guys use in the rental, 5% for being… 3 and 5? 178 00:15:59.970 --> 00:16:09.369 Thiago Rangel: 3 and 7, or 3 and 5, and 1% for… 3 and 5 for being 3 and 5, and 1% of the background for being 7. 179 00:16:09.570 --> 00:16:10.929 Thiago Rangel: That's what I think of. 180 00:16:12.510 --> 00:16:15.960 Alessio Boletti: These 1%, these percentages are. 181 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:24.530 Thiago Rangel: This percentage is the BP over the BTOT. The BP would be the… The expected, oh. 182 00:16:25.010 --> 00:16:38.859 Thiago Rangel: points of the… for example, the JPSCI and PSY2S that goes in the other bins, and the B total would be the background, so that would be the expected background from the data, minus the… 183 00:16:39.190 --> 00:16:46.219 Thiago Rangel: What we, the resonant, the non-resonant, points in the Montcalm. 184 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:56.900 Alessio Boletti: So… Because this part, I don't clearly remember from… So, 185 00:16:57.070 --> 00:17:03.680 Alessio Boletti: The numerator is the number of Monte Carlo events from the Rational Monte Carlo. 186 00:17:03.970 --> 00:17:04.819 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, another country. 187 00:17:04.829 --> 00:17:09.399 Alessio Boletti: In, that appear in the Q-Square Beans. 188 00:17:10.700 --> 00:17:11.710 Alessio Boletti: Outside. 189 00:17:12.750 --> 00:17:13.500 Alessio Boletti: Right. 190 00:17:14.550 --> 00:17:25.450 Alessio Boletti: Yeah. While the denominator Is the amount of event… of… Basically, unbeatable background events, huh? 191 00:17:25.970 --> 00:17:26.700 Thiago Rangel: -H. 192 00:17:26.890 --> 00:17:31.619 Alessio Boletti: In the full queue, if you must range around in the side bender that is. 193 00:17:32.420 --> 00:17:37.850 Thiago Rangel: Only in the… in this being… this being region here. So it would be the… 194 00:17:38.370 --> 00:17:40.909 Thiago Rangel: The number of events of the data in this bin? 195 00:17:41.020 --> 00:17:43.410 Thiago Rangel: Minus the date of the… 196 00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:50.839 Thiago Rangel: events of signal region that of the signal of the our analysis. That would be the normal response. 197 00:17:51.380 --> 00:17:53.319 Thiago Rangel: So that would be the V… 198 00:17:55.180 --> 00:17:56.920 Thiago Rangel: Yeah? A bit good on the expected. 199 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:06.530 Alessio Boletti: Okay, so the Monte Carlo before subtracting, of course, it's normalized to the statistics of the data. 200 00:18:07.050 --> 00:18:12.120 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, it is normalized. The Monte Carlo is normalized for the luminosity. Yes. 201 00:18:12.120 --> 00:18:21.300 Alessio Boletti: OK, and this is this normalization because it's done with just using the effective luminosity of the Monte Carlo. 202 00:18:22.060 --> 00:18:34.200 Alessio Boletti: Or there is a correction due to, Possible, Discrepancy between the… Number of scaled events. 203 00:18:34.520 --> 00:18:37.869 Alessio Boletti: From the Monte Carlo and number of actual events in data. 204 00:18:41.230 --> 00:18:42.700 Thiago Rangel: Because, 205 00:18:43.170 --> 00:18:50.360 Alessio Boletti: In the Rantu analysis, we went scaling according to the Monte Carlo statistics. 206 00:18:50.650 --> 00:19:04.550 Alessio Boletti: In GPSI, we observe that, the number of scale Monte Carlo events and number of, signal events in the, let's say, extracting the fit from the, from the data. 207 00:19:05.060 --> 00:19:11.419 Alessio Boletti: We're not matching, so there was a scale factor between, the two, so we… 208 00:19:11.900 --> 00:19:16.440 Alessio Boletti: We… after retrieving, like, after measuring the scale factor. 209 00:19:17.080 --> 00:19:22.540 Alessio Boletti: That we consider kind of, the Monte Carlo normalization scale factor. 210 00:19:23.820 --> 00:19:29.969 Alessio Boletti: From the chip side, we applied it to all the, all the other channels. So basically. 211 00:19:30.760 --> 00:19:33.870 Alessio Boletti: When we… when we count the amount of… 212 00:19:34.360 --> 00:19:40.339 Alessio Boletti: When we scale the number of background events to match the statistics in data, we don't. 213 00:19:40.340 --> 00:19:40.710 Thiago Rangel: Mmm. 214 00:19:40.710 --> 00:19:44.480 Alessio Boletti: Rasta the equivalent luminosity of the motor carlo. 215 00:19:44.670 --> 00:19:49.790 Alessio Boletti: But we correct it with this scale factor in order to match. 216 00:19:50.550 --> 00:19:51.210 Thiago Rangel: Okay. 217 00:19:51.900 --> 00:19:52.760 Alessio Boletti: I don't know. 218 00:19:52.760 --> 00:19:53.100 Thiago Rangel: Yeah. 219 00:19:53.100 --> 00:19:53.850 Alessio Boletti: Any competitors? 220 00:19:53.850 --> 00:19:54.429 Thiago Rangel: No, no. 221 00:19:54.430 --> 00:19:55.240 Alessio Boletti: Kinda. 222 00:19:56.100 --> 00:19:58.509 Thiago Rangel: No, I didn't. So when I. 223 00:20:01.060 --> 00:20:01.730 Thiago Rangel: I'm gonna. 224 00:20:02.410 --> 00:20:09.630 Alessio Boletti: Maybe one thing you could do is just check, because maybe there is no need to run to Monte Carlo situation. 225 00:20:10.450 --> 00:20:12.180 Thiago Rangel: Okay, I'm gonna check this. 226 00:20:12.250 --> 00:20:15.369 Alessio Boletti: Okay, but maybe starting from the GFCI, you can do… 227 00:20:15.550 --> 00:20:22.250 Alessio Boletti: a mass fitter and counting the yield of GPC events and then comparing to the 228 00:20:22.900 --> 00:20:25.790 Alessio Boletti: scale the Monte Carlo to see how they match. 229 00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:28.000 Thiago Rangel: Okay. 230 00:20:29.260 --> 00:20:30.060 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 231 00:20:31.070 --> 00:20:36.959 Alessio Boletti: Okay, thank you. But in any case, okay, I understand the procedure, and I believe, yeah, it should be… 232 00:20:38.070 --> 00:20:42.230 Alessio Boletti: Should be okay. Is there… 233 00:20:45.060 --> 00:20:45.550 Thiago Rangel: Okay. 234 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:52.840 Alessio Boletti: I'm wondering if, from the data, we should use the full background… amount of background? 235 00:20:53.080 --> 00:21:00.110 Alessio Boletti: Or we should use only the sideband quantity, because We don't really use… 236 00:21:01.580 --> 00:21:04.280 Alessio Boletti: But okay, no, for now, I think, 237 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:09.170 Alessio Boletti: It should be… it's a good, criterion then, in case… 238 00:21:09.750 --> 00:21:18.699 Alessio Boletti: we can refine. But what you show in the next slide, it's a Monte Carlo comparison now, so you have Monte Carlo in all distributions here. 239 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:19.950 Thiago Rangel: Mmhm. 240 00:21:20.510 --> 00:21:21.360 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 241 00:21:21.900 --> 00:21:22.610 Alessio Boletti: So this is… 242 00:21:22.610 --> 00:21:24.110 Thiago Rangel: in the lines of the cuts. 243 00:21:24.310 --> 00:21:33.600 Alessio Boletti: Okay, this should, this is… showing… How much? 244 00:21:34.610 --> 00:21:42.080 Alessio Boletti: Wait, no, I'm not understanding. Is the… 245 00:21:43.410 --> 00:21:47.329 Alessio Boletti: In the Norwegian restaurant, Monte Carlo. 246 00:21:47.450 --> 00:21:49.059 Alessio Boletti: No, it's on Channel. 247 00:21:49.370 --> 00:21:58.499 Alessio Boletti: Why there is a difference between, in the central bin, between the, with respect, what does it mean with respect to GPSI? 248 00:21:59.350 --> 00:22:00.329 Thiago Rangel: This one here? 249 00:22:00.450 --> 00:22:09.899 Alessio Boletti: Yes. Well, you see that in the two non-resonant samples, I see one with respect to GPSI and one with respect to SiteWest. 250 00:22:10.330 --> 00:22:11.010 Thiago Rangel: Mmhm. 251 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:16.350 Alessio Boletti: Because the X… like, the events are the same, but the X quantity changes. 252 00:22:16.350 --> 00:22:20.220 Thiago Rangel: It's different because, yeah, because of the cross-section, yeah. 253 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:20.880 Alessio Boletti: I see. 254 00:22:21.190 --> 00:22:29.509 Alessio Boletti: So basically, okay, yeah, indeed, okay, yeah, the idea of this is to see how much signal it's… 255 00:22:30.120 --> 00:22:34.300 Alessio Boletti: How much efficiency is lost because of this grata on the signal. 256 00:22:34.750 --> 00:22:36.110 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, okay. Exactly. 257 00:22:37.220 --> 00:22:38.180 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 258 00:22:38.930 --> 00:22:46.330 Alessio Boletti: Yeah, it seems that we lose a big thing in the VIN 3. 259 00:22:46.930 --> 00:22:51.510 Alessio Boletti: But I guess this is… Inevitable. 260 00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:54.150 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 261 00:22:55.570 --> 00:22:56.540 Alessio Boletti: Okay, good. 262 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:04.319 Alessio Boletti: Do you remember, or do you have attended, the value of the cut that we use for BIM 3 in Round 2? 263 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:06.280 Alessio Boletti: Just to know… 264 00:23:06.280 --> 00:23:06.850 Thiago Rangel: Okay. 265 00:23:07.080 --> 00:23:08.140 Alessio Boletti: If it's a similar. 266 00:23:08.140 --> 00:23:09.520 Thiago Rangel: 0.2. 267 00:23:09.980 --> 00:23:12.779 Alessio Boletti: 0.2, okay, so the F impact is similar. 268 00:23:13.110 --> 00:23:14.390 Thiago Rangel: Exactly. 269 00:23:14.890 --> 00:23:16.669 Alessio Boletti: Okay. Okay, okay. 270 00:23:17.130 --> 00:23:18.000 Alessio Boletti: Thank you. 271 00:23:18.580 --> 00:23:20.450 Alessio Boletti: I don't have other questions. 272 00:23:24.530 --> 00:23:28.660 Paolo Dini: I have a question, a trivial question to the previous slides. 273 00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:39.860 Paolo Dini: is… In the, for example, in the right plot. 274 00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:46.280 Paolo Dini: The exclusion band around the Jeep side is 275 00:23:47.930 --> 00:23:54.219 Paolo Dini: Of course, it's not complete. This kind of a scatter plot is not completely 276 00:23:54.750 --> 00:24:03.979 Paolo Dini: this kind of situation. But it seems that there are a lot of japesa in this band that are not excluded. 277 00:24:05.290 --> 00:24:06.679 Thiago Rangel: You mean this part here? 278 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:08.489 Paolo Dini: Yes, that, 279 00:24:08.810 --> 00:24:12.960 Thiago Rangel: How's the… Go ahead, Paul. Sorry. 280 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:21.439 Paolo Dini: Yeah, no, no, no, please. It's it might be a problem of a presentation that I don't really understand. 281 00:24:22.590 --> 00:24:29.830 Thiago Rangel: So this part, this black part here, it belongs to the bin of the Jeep site, so once we are gonna remove it all, so… 282 00:24:30.460 --> 00:24:32.420 Thiago Rangel: So I don't see you… 283 00:24:34.110 --> 00:24:45.710 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, so that's… this part here, this cut here, these vertical cuts here, are from the Diamion mass, so we do a fit, and then get 3 sigma of the… 284 00:24:46.510 --> 00:24:47.870 Thiago Rangel: of the… 285 00:24:49.220 --> 00:24:50.269 Paolo Dini: Deep sea mass. 286 00:24:50.270 --> 00:25:03.550 Thiago Rangel: Of the GTIMAS, sorry. And then we're kind of a little bit losing this part here, but since we're gonna throw it all away on the analysis, so I didn't want to continue the… 287 00:25:04.600 --> 00:25:09.140 Thiago Rangel: the cuts. So, only cutting the bean tree that's been here. 288 00:25:10.470 --> 00:25:11.370 Paolo Dini: Okay. 289 00:25:14.100 --> 00:25:15.659 Paolo Dini: Okay, thank you. 290 00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:17.109 Alessio Boletti: I haven't. 291 00:25:17.110 --> 00:25:17.570 Thiago Rangel: Thank you for. 292 00:25:17.570 --> 00:25:28.420 Alessio Boletti: General comment on this. So at the moment, this cut is done assuming the same VIN as in RAN. 293 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:34.589 Alessio Boletti: Of course, we know that we will have to redefine the binding according to the new scheme. 294 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:40.659 Alessio Boletti: And in particular, the regions, these regions will be all affected because, 295 00:25:40.820 --> 00:25:49.640 Alessio Boletti: In the Rantu, we were, cutting as close as possible, to the cheap side with the 357 or the Psi Questa. 296 00:25:50.090 --> 00:25:56.660 Alessio Boletti: But in… like, with the new schema, we will have a VIN finishing at 8. 297 00:25:57.010 --> 00:25:58.550 Alessio Boletti: Massa, so… 298 00:25:58.550 --> 00:25:59.210 Thiago Rangel: Mmhm. 299 00:25:59.210 --> 00:26:03.949 Alessio Boletti: Masquerme, sorry, Masquerme a bit below 3. 300 00:26:04.190 --> 00:26:09.699 Alessio Boletti: And also for the bin five and bin seven, they will have different boundaries and maybe. 301 00:26:09.830 --> 00:26:12.619 Alessio Boletti: We can have an additional BIN if we manage. 302 00:26:13.070 --> 00:26:18.399 Alessio Boletti: In the between 8 and, like, in between these round numbers and, 303 00:26:19.510 --> 00:26:24.199 Alessio Boletti: And what we can achieve as close as possible to the GPU side. 304 00:26:24.800 --> 00:26:35.410 Alessio Boletti: But I don't believe, naively, I don't believe… I think this is still a valid study, a valid optimization, because… 305 00:26:35.800 --> 00:26:40.340 Alessio Boletti: When we split, for example, the Arab below the Egyptian side in multiple beings, huh? 306 00:26:40.670 --> 00:26:44.169 Alessio Boletti: Of course, we cannot do this optimization beam by beam. 307 00:26:44.340 --> 00:26:46.539 Alessio Boletti: It's something that needs to be done. 308 00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:55.699 Alessio Boletti: a single optimization, we will have a single diagonal cut, even if the region is split among more beans. 309 00:26:56.770 --> 00:27:05.920 Alessio Boletti: So… So, yeah, probably doing this exercise, assuming this, let's say, why they're beings… 310 00:27:06.080 --> 00:27:10.250 Alessio Boletti: And then, splitting the bean, 311 00:27:11.290 --> 00:27:16.419 Alessio Boletti: Farther, it's… it's… could be… could be still okay. 312 00:27:16.800 --> 00:27:20.629 Alessio Boletti: It's something that we can discuss as soon as we have the meeting. 313 00:27:21.060 --> 00:27:25.640 Alessio Boletti: Because I believe, okay, if you imagine going from, 314 00:27:26.350 --> 00:27:34.830 Alessio Boletti: For bin 3, if you move down the upper limit to square root of… Of 8, huh? 315 00:27:35.230 --> 00:27:41.860 Alessio Boletti: We will have, less background… 316 00:27:42.130 --> 00:27:47.270 Alessio Boletti: from the GPSI, but also it will be removed the less background from the… 317 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:53.380 Alessio Boletti: Sorry, less contamination from the inside, but also the combinatorial background would be less affected. 318 00:27:53.670 --> 00:27:57.020 Alessio Boletti: All these probably in different proportions, like, 319 00:27:59.060 --> 00:28:05.050 Alessio Boletti: So, so it's not clear, it's not obvious what is the effect of. 320 00:28:06.170 --> 00:28:09.119 Alessio Boletti: Re-optimizing on a different range. 321 00:28:11.860 --> 00:28:12.180 Thiago Rangel: I see. 322 00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:21.570 Alessio Boletti: Okay, let's say for sure now the code is in place and I guess at some point also because for example, there is some work that you're doing on the… 323 00:28:22.860 --> 00:28:23.560 Alessio Boletti: And. 324 00:28:24.350 --> 00:28:28.129 Alessio Boletti: pre-selection and selection level that is still 325 00:28:29.040 --> 00:28:35.020 Alessio Boletti: Could still impact all this, right? Or their weighting of the Monte Carlo. 326 00:28:39.330 --> 00:28:39.960 Thiago Rangel: Okay. 327 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.070 Alessio Boletti: Right? So, yeah, I assume, 328 00:28:44.730 --> 00:28:52.199 Alessio Boletti: I assume, once… but once this code is ready, I guess now it's easy, it's quick to rerun it. 329 00:28:52.520 --> 00:28:53.250 Alessio Boletti: Yeah. Right. 330 00:28:53.250 --> 00:28:54.169 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, it is. 331 00:28:54.510 --> 00:28:56.530 Alessio Boletti: Mmhm Okay. 332 00:28:56.670 --> 00:28:57.970 Alessio Boletti: Good, good, good. 333 00:28:58.740 --> 00:28:59.480 Alessio Boletti: Thank you. 334 00:29:03.230 --> 00:29:04.349 Alessio Boletti: Any other comments? 335 00:29:04.350 --> 00:29:04.930 Thiago Rangel: Okay. 336 00:29:06.020 --> 00:29:06.880 Alessio Boletti: Good question. 337 00:29:08.550 --> 00:29:13.210 nuno: So, for this Monte Carlo re-weighting, Satya, you're trying lots of… 338 00:29:13.710 --> 00:29:16.159 nuno: Methods last time, I mean… 339 00:29:17.010 --> 00:29:19.429 nuno: Did you have a… do you have a plan there? 340 00:29:20.580 --> 00:29:23.299 Thiago Rangel: Sorry for the waiting you were talking about. 341 00:29:23.300 --> 00:29:26.950 nuno: You're waiting, right? So you are investigating lots of options for that, right? 342 00:29:26.950 --> 00:29:28.360 Thiago Rangel: Yeah. 343 00:29:28.360 --> 00:29:28.970 nuno: I don't. 344 00:29:28.970 --> 00:29:29.640 Thiago Rangel: Thank you. 345 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.700 nuno: Do you want to continue? I mean, did you decide what's the best? 346 00:29:33.760 --> 00:29:38.470 Thiago Rangel: So, actually, in my opinion, the best one should be the… 347 00:29:39.270 --> 00:29:53.920 Thiago Rangel: the… the approach that you guys did on Round 2, I think that was the approach, I don't know if it is the right approach, from trying to get the weight… the negative weight, and then distribute between the nearest, positive weights. 348 00:29:54.120 --> 00:30:08.330 Thiago Rangel: So in ones that we don't have a cluster of negative weights, so that might be the the best, the best shot. I don't know if the Bp. Once we present these on the Bp. Meetings, they they are. Gonna 349 00:30:08.850 --> 00:30:14.679 Thiago Rangel: talk a lot about this. But, yeah, for now, I think that's the best one, because 350 00:30:14.910 --> 00:30:34.629 Thiago Rangel: the graduate boosting waiter. Of course it's very good, as we saw, as we saw. But there is no metric to evaluate this in a good way for a record record we can construct. a log loss or something like that. We there is no way to construct because they are changing the the loss function. 351 00:30:35.010 --> 00:30:35.920 Thiago Rangel: And. 352 00:30:36.610 --> 00:30:43.920 Thiago Rangel: And for the other methods as well, there are one that I'm gonna try… sorry, and I didn't do it yet. 353 00:30:44.180 --> 00:30:47.859 Thiago Rangel: But it's using the exact maximum likelihood. 354 00:30:47.980 --> 00:31:05.270 Thiago Rangel: because instead of you using the S weights, you use the 15. It was. It was a little bit. So I'm I'm still trying to understand what the guy on the paper said to to try to implement this. But that's gonna be the the our at least my last. 355 00:31:05.950 --> 00:31:08.430 Thiago Rangel: Try to to do this re-weighting. 356 00:31:08.630 --> 00:31:12.610 Thiago Rangel: Because, yeah, I think that's one of the best shots that we have. 357 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:20.030 nuno: Yeah, so. 358 00:31:20.030 --> 00:31:20.740 Thiago Rangel: Hello? 359 00:31:20.740 --> 00:31:25.120 nuno: Okay, good. I wonder if there's a standard in VPH indeed. 360 00:31:26.820 --> 00:31:38.070 Thiago Rangel: I don't know if there's a standard one, because I remember the Mexican group, they really go and unpasse in this part. So they really show the results and go, okay, this is it, and let's move on. 361 00:31:38.330 --> 00:31:41.650 Thiago Rangel: And then I should have asked that. 362 00:31:45.560 --> 00:32:05.349 Thiago Rangel: And that's another thing that I'm going to talk to you guys about. If you guys think that's enough, once I would decide which awaiting procedure and maybe this analysis here, the financial radiation and the fits of the gem that we could present again in the BPH Nano, the BPH meeting. 363 00:32:05.510 --> 00:32:09.529 Thiago Rangel: To show the results, to see if, oh, we're working here. 364 00:32:12.790 --> 00:32:19.130 nuno: Yeah, so I wonder if people go away in August, or in any case, you'll have less audience in August, so… 365 00:32:19.350 --> 00:32:20.200 Thiago Rangel: Mmhm. 366 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.790 nuno: Oh… Yeah, looks like good idea to to do that. No. 367 00:32:25.990 --> 00:32:26.610 nuno: I mean, I. 368 00:32:26.610 --> 00:32:29.249 Alessio Boletti: Presenter when there are less audience, you mean? 369 00:32:29.250 --> 00:32:35.610 nuno: No, earlier if you can, but maybe… I don't know what the meetings are. 370 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:43.310 Alessio Boletti: Yeah, I think there was a meeting this Monday that was canceled, so I believe the next one is going to be the 27th. 371 00:32:43.690 --> 00:32:44.210 nuno: Mmh. 372 00:32:44.210 --> 00:32:45.799 Alessio Boletti: I'm going to debate with the schedule 373 00:32:49.950 --> 00:32:51.510 Alessio Boletti: In. 374 00:32:52.320 --> 00:32:58.429 Alessio Boletti: Yeah, like, yeah, of course, for a presentation to the working group, it's always welcome. 375 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:07.939 Alessio Boletti: In case, we should, probably have a, 376 00:33:08.260 --> 00:33:12.190 Alessio Boletti: A meeting before, between now and the presentation, I would propose. 377 00:33:12.190 --> 00:33:12.830 Thiago Rangel: Oops. 378 00:33:12.830 --> 00:33:17.700 Alessio Boletti: Also to have a discussion on the slides that you plan to present. 379 00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:18.290 Thiago Rangel: -H. 380 00:33:18.290 --> 00:33:26.169 Alessio Boletti: And in general, I believe, like, going forward, there's maybe meetings, like, presenting to the… 381 00:33:26.360 --> 00:33:29.430 Alessio Boletti: To the radicals will become more frequent. 382 00:33:30.490 --> 00:33:40.509 Alessio Boletti: I believe we can, in general, move the meeting to the week just before the case. Otherwise, between the last meeting we have and the… 383 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:45.180 Alessio Boletti: And there are the cases, it's… it's, 384 00:33:45.870 --> 00:33:50.579 Alessio Boletti: It's going to be almost 2 weeks or so, it's a long time for… 385 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:58.720 Alessio Boletti: Unless we want to have a dedicated of week meeting, To discuss the presentation, but… 386 00:33:59.540 --> 00:34:05.169 Alessio Boletti: I think it may be easier to just have the meetings just before there are the case ones. 387 00:34:05.290 --> 00:34:07.420 Alessio Boletti: If there are no preferences for… 388 00:34:09.050 --> 00:34:14.120 Alessio Boletti: The… which of the bi-weekly possibilities we choose. 389 00:34:16.590 --> 00:34:24.190 Diego Torres: Guys, sorry, maybe I missed something, but when, Tiago, are you planning to present in the meeting? 390 00:34:24.949 --> 00:34:29.769 Thiago Rangel: No, no, I don't plan to, I don't have a date in mind, so it's just, 391 00:34:31.049 --> 00:34:35.889 Thiago Rangel: A possibility, so we can show the work and say that we are working on this. 392 00:34:36.310 --> 00:34:37.110 Diego Torres: Okay. 393 00:34:39.120 --> 00:34:40.250 Thiago Rangel: So… Yeah. 394 00:34:44.860 --> 00:34:55.530 Alessio Boletti: Because, yeah, let's say the comment is that, well, the next option seems to be the 27th of July. 395 00:34:55.650 --> 00:34:58.649 Alessio Boletti: After that, sorry, the, yeah. 396 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:00.969 Alessio Boletti: It sounds right. 397 00:35:01.140 --> 00:35:06.790 Alessio Boletti: After that, I believe, could be the 10th of August, but that's probably the lowest attendance 398 00:35:08.890 --> 00:35:15.050 Alessio Boletti: because of European and Italian summer period. 399 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:16.670 Thiago Rangel: Mmhm. 400 00:35:18.140 --> 00:35:21.009 Alessio Boletti: Unless then we go end of August or beginning of September. 401 00:35:23.830 --> 00:35:30.689 Alessio Boletti: But yeah, okay. In any case, I would say, if you plan to present, like, in two weeks' time. 402 00:35:30.870 --> 00:35:34.680 Alessio Boletti: We may have a meeting, maybe, before that. 403 00:35:34.990 --> 00:35:38.000 Gilvan Alves: There's also the ice hat coming in the end of the season. 404 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:39.700 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, there's also the AI chat. 405 00:35:39.700 --> 00:35:40.160 Alessio Boletti: Which one? 406 00:35:40.160 --> 00:35:45.539 Diego Torres: But this… It's starting on 30th July, so it'll be okay. 407 00:35:45.540 --> 00:35:53.359 Thiago Rangel: For me. Yeah, for me, actually, 27 is a little bit not good, because I also will be at another school in the past. 408 00:35:53.870 --> 00:35:56.319 Alessio Boletti: Okay. Yeah, then I agree. 409 00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.430 Thiago Rangel: Just reminded is, yeah, sorry. 410 00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:00.010 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 411 00:36:00.690 --> 00:36:05.129 Alessio Boletti: Then, okay, I believe then, it's either August or beginning of September. 412 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.320 Alessio Boletti: Possibilities. 413 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:15.220 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, I think we can discuss this a little bit more offline. So Elisa and Sandro and everyone else can participate. 414 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:16.560 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 415 00:36:18.090 --> 00:36:20.170 Thiago Rangel: Yeah, from my side, I think this is it. 416 00:36:20.710 --> 00:36:24.089 nuno: But so, I mean, so about about this thing of the binning, maybe this was already. 417 00:36:24.490 --> 00:36:36.400 nuno: Oh, that's why they mentioned it. So so using the the old, I mean in terms of the strategy, it's maybe okay to continue using the old one. No, for for the moment, for even 1st presentations in the in the park. 418 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:47.340 nuno: or and then move to the new ones, or or not. I mean. So I say this, because, as Alice was saying, this, this is going to be different for different binnings. Right? These contaminations are going to be 419 00:36:47.560 --> 00:36:52.909 nuno: less important and more important. So what is the strategy in terms of the meaning? We keep with the old one? 420 00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:05.619 Alessio Boletti: Well, my two cents is that, at some point, we have to move to the new one. So when, let's say, once we believe… 421 00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:08.909 Alessio Boletti: For sure we need to change before we believe. 422 00:37:09.090 --> 00:37:18.540 Alessio Boletti: rerunning everything from, with the new building, it's, it becomes too, too, too cumbersome, too much, too much work, you know. 423 00:37:18.790 --> 00:37:20.010 Alessio Boletti: So… 424 00:37:20.900 --> 00:37:31.689 Alessio Boletti: I wouldn't wait too much to move to the new one, but to move to the new one, also, we need some… probably some studies about which meaning we can afford, which… 425 00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:36.660 Alessio Boletti: How fine is the, is the building we can afford? 426 00:37:37.530 --> 00:37:39.070 Alessio Boletti: And. 427 00:37:40.570 --> 00:37:49.279 Alessio Boletti: Because, of course, there it's not, it's not yet defined, like, if we have, 2 GVBins, 1 GVBins, alpha GVBins, it's, it' 428 00:37:49.650 --> 00:37:57.970 Alessio Boletti: It's up to us, and to the statistics we can, we can, We have available… 429 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.840 Alessio Boletti: So… yeah. 430 00:38:02.020 --> 00:38:04.410 Alessio Boletti: So naively I would say that. 431 00:38:07.430 --> 00:38:20.180 Alessio Boletti: Probably, we can also… we can also discuss the… based on… The yield that we observe. 432 00:38:21.120 --> 00:38:24.800 Alessio Boletti: Across the years, like, not only looking at 2022, 433 00:38:25.600 --> 00:38:31.719 Alessio Boletti: But also including the other years, because that's relevant as well. 434 00:38:32.730 --> 00:38:33.700 Alessio Boletti: Right? Cool. 435 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.210 Alessio Boletti: Like it's a simultaneous feature. 436 00:38:39.620 --> 00:38:45.040 Alessio Boletti: Over the several years, if it's still, the plan is still the same as the round 2. 437 00:38:45.850 --> 00:38:49.670 Alessio Boletti: But, but… 438 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:57.440 Alessio Boletti: like, the mass parameter are independent per year, so if we have not… not enough statistics one year, we could have, 439 00:38:58.150 --> 00:38:59.960 Alessio Boletti: Some convergence issues. 440 00:39:00.260 --> 00:39:02.240 Alessio Boletti: For the… for the mass parameters. 441 00:39:09.150 --> 00:39:13.979 Paolo Dini: Yes, and, just to remind, we will have a drop, 442 00:39:14.310 --> 00:39:19.630 Paolo Dini: In our statistics at the end of the entire. 443 00:39:20.040 --> 00:39:28.959 Paolo Dini: So you… So we will take care of the of it. So this is not possible to. 444 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:35.369 Paolo Dini: produce a simple projection based on 2022. 445 00:39:36.080 --> 00:39:39.860 Paolo Dini: Also for the following years. 446 00:39:41.110 --> 00:39:54.450 Paolo Dini: It could be that we have in the last period, 2025, 2026, a dope, down to 30%. 447 00:39:57.770 --> 00:40:09.450 Paolo Dini: So this, yeah, I need, we, we need to, to study the, the beginning, when we, we, we are able, we, we are able to see all, all the statistics, I suppose. 448 00:40:10.090 --> 00:40:16.339 Alessio Boletti: Indeed. But in general, also, the integrated luminosity for each year is different, and also. 449 00:40:16.560 --> 00:40:19.020 Alessio Boletti: There are areas with more, more… 450 00:40:19.020 --> 00:40:20.089 Paolo Dini: This is Cora. 451 00:40:20.090 --> 00:40:20.809 Alessio Boletti: Take care. 452 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.890 Alessio Boletti: So I believe 2025 and 2026 will be analyzed together. 453 00:40:25.550 --> 00:40:35.019 Alessio Boletti: This is the… so… Yeah, so we will have to see in each category of the fit. 454 00:40:35.650 --> 00:40:42.359 Alessio Boletti: What's the… What's the… statistics available there. 455 00:40:45.010 --> 00:40:45.600 Paolo Dini: Yep. 456 00:40:46.690 --> 00:40:47.340 Alessio Boletti: Yep. 457 00:40:47.450 --> 00:41:02.110 Alessio Boletti: Another thing also to pay attention is statistics in the sidebands, because a problem that we had in Round 2 was that the sidebands were, in some beans, at a very low population of events. 458 00:41:04.570 --> 00:41:07.519 Alessio Boletti: That the 3 dimensional description of the 459 00:41:08.330 --> 00:41:11.259 Alessio Boletti: Of the background was quite challenging. 460 00:41:11.470 --> 00:41:14.020 Alessio Boletti: So we should, 461 00:41:14.270 --> 00:41:22.090 Alessio Boletti: Also, they intend to count these not only the signal statistics. And this, I think it's also true for 462 00:41:22.770 --> 00:41:25.920 Alessio Boletti: The working point optimization for the big deal. 463 00:41:26.620 --> 00:41:36.240 Alessio Boletti: This is something that, who was mentioning, that… Just optimizing the signal significance. 464 00:41:37.240 --> 00:41:47.279 Alessio Boletti: could create problems later and induce some higher value of systematic uncertainties because of the background description. 465 00:41:50.570 --> 00:41:51.350 Thiago Rangel: Mmhm. 466 00:41:51.640 --> 00:41:52.570 Thiago Rangel: Okay. 467 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.090 Alessio Boletti: But okay, for, 468 00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:05.419 Alessio Boletti: I think it's not trivial to decide. We don't have a clear value that will tell us, okay, this is the figure of merit to decide whether 469 00:42:06.980 --> 00:42:11.609 Alessio Boletti: the binning, which binning to use. I think we can start, 470 00:42:13.230 --> 00:42:18.460 Alessio Boletti: Yeah, I don't know. Testing options and seeing, 471 00:42:18.710 --> 00:42:22.660 Alessio Boletti: the statistics available, and then decide according to that. 472 00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.690 Alessio Boletti: And maybe, related to this, 473 00:42:29.610 --> 00:42:36.309 Alessio Boletti: This week we started, interacting with the summer students that, 474 00:42:36.870 --> 00:42:47.040 Alessio Boletti: that we'll start the project, here at LIP. We have two, two students, and maybe in one of the next meetings, they can connect and introduce themselves. 475 00:42:47.270 --> 00:42:54.159 Alessio Boletti: may present also the work they will have done. But so far, they're just getting familiar with the analysis and the 476 00:42:55.290 --> 00:43:03.050 Alessio Boletti: And thank you, Thiago, for the Anthropos. So they are starting to have a look at the 2022 Anthropos. 477 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.300 Alessio Boletti: post selection. 478 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.830 Paolo Dini: I… Hmmm. 479 00:43:13.180 --> 00:43:19.170 Paolo Dini: I'm reproducing again the entropols from Mini Audi. 480 00:43:20.250 --> 00:43:33.289 Paolo Dini: Unless you have modified the pre-selection, respect to those that we have decided to try, because otherwise it's not possible to have 481 00:43:35.120 --> 00:43:43.269 Paolo Dini: To finish all the jobs, let's say, and to have the full statistics. I'm not able to do that. Also, Luca. 482 00:43:43.710 --> 00:43:51.050 Paolo Dini: tied about the too, too, too much old time and so on. 483 00:43:51.050 --> 00:43:53.180 Alessio Boletti: But because they're too big, too large, yeah? 484 00:43:53.180 --> 00:43:53.810 Paolo Dini: Okay. 485 00:43:54.380 --> 00:44:04.009 Paolo Dini: Really, I don't know, too much memory, too much work time, and so on. So I… 486 00:44:04.130 --> 00:44:22.509 Paolo Dini: I modify little B and now, and I've started, from 2024 up to 2026, and also I've submitted the low pile up, statistics just to. 487 00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:25.439 Paolo Dini: For curiosity, if you want. 488 00:44:25.830 --> 00:44:36.120 Paolo Dini: And very slowly I get the results and manage to have a low. 489 00:44:36.310 --> 00:44:38.600 Paolo Dini: Low rate of failures. 490 00:44:38.970 --> 00:44:40.320 Paolo Dini: Let's say so. 491 00:44:40.510 --> 00:44:52.370 Paolo Dini: In the end, I hope to… to finish these areas, and Also submit the first tiers. 492 00:44:52.930 --> 00:45:11.710 Paolo Dini: And one of the simple tasks that I am interested to do is also for BPH general interest is to understand how we lose in terms of statistics because the aging of the detector. 493 00:45:13.510 --> 00:45:20.399 Paolo Dini: And so if just to comment, if you need some 494 00:45:22.170 --> 00:45:34.959 Paolo Dini: full run in anthropos based of mini Audi. Now we have Enough statistic to to. 495 00:45:36.720 --> 00:45:38.110 Paolo Dini: to use them. 496 00:45:38.390 --> 00:45:38.760 Alessio Boletti: Okay. 497 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:39.800 Paolo Dini: Yeah, that was… 498 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.289 Alessio Boletti: I ask, I ask Tiago because Tiago Swan had 499 00:45:44.430 --> 00:45:57.049 Alessio Boletti: I, I, we, we got to the postability selection, selectionability one, and poster waiting, so it's, like, we can already see a peak in the, in the data and so on. 500 00:45:57.190 --> 00:45:59.950 Alessio Boletti: It's a bit more student friendly. 501 00:46:00.190 --> 00:46:04.560 Alessio Boletti: In case, we will start working with them. 502 00:46:05.470 --> 00:46:07.710 Paolo Dini: Because it's like. 503 00:46:08.090 --> 00:46:10.959 Alessio Boletti: Yeah, so it's a 2-month project, a less than 2. 504 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:12.890 Paolo Dini: Person to okay. 505 00:46:12.890 --> 00:46:13.260 Alessio Boletti: Yep. 506 00:46:14.130 --> 00:46:18.199 Paolo Dini: Yes, Diego is, yeah, Lee, a 507 00:46:20.430 --> 00:46:24.480 Paolo Dini: Has produced a lot of work, and quite, 508 00:46:26.220 --> 00:46:29.050 Paolo Dini: Interesting results. So I think that. 509 00:46:29.350 --> 00:46:34.219 Paolo Dini: Yeah, it's it's makes sense to base such. 510 00:46:35.030 --> 00:46:39.959 Paolo Dini: Such work on… on the entrepots producers by… by Tiago. 511 00:46:40.150 --> 00:46:41.180 Paolo Dini: Yeah, yeah. 512 00:46:42.110 --> 00:46:58.060 Alessio Boletti: OK, but in case they will want to play a bit with the selection, maybe we can also start having a look at this. We can see. And for sure, we will have also to — well, this is not for the project, but in general for the analysis. 513 00:46:58.370 --> 00:47:03.630 Alessio Boletti: Use now… I didn't check the slides from, Daniel yet. 514 00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:13.430 Alessio Boletti: But getting from these results some hints whether there are problems with the BPH nano, because in this case. 515 00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.289 Alessio Boletti: We will have to reconsider them. 516 00:47:19.090 --> 00:47:20.219 Paolo Dini: Yes, this… 517 00:47:20.220 --> 00:47:23.239 Alessio Boletti: Inter-reproducer or I don't know. 518 00:47:24.620 --> 00:47:29.369 Alessio Boletti: Well, staff for sure understand better the pH nano production. 519 00:47:32.020 --> 00:47:37.250 Alessio Boletti: But okay, yeah. But yeah, it was just to mention that we started this activity. 520 00:47:40.680 --> 00:47:44.190 Alessio Boletti: I don't know if there are other comments or questions in general. 521 00:47:49.750 --> 00:47:54.310 Alessio Boletti: Okay. Seems not the case. So let me stop recording.